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M algore:

Good ole ruben neverrite, he nevers gives up on the apologies of this mexican relatives.

Sometimes, it shows that he is wearing down on the apology tour.

Dec 24, 2007 - 1:54 am Phineas Worthington:

Mexican flag wavers ought to show some basic respect in the country for which they have shown a demonstrated preference. Wave the right flag. Learn English if you don’t want to be a “brown slave.” And when you break the laws you make amends, not demands.

Dec 24, 2007 - 1:54 am David Thomson:

“there is no need to get hysterical if you see a group of recent immigrants waving the flag of their native country.”

We have every right to get upset if this is the primary flag that they are carrying. The American flag must dominate and all others should be honored in a secondary manner. We need a certain number of marginally educated workers. A fairly high number of Mexican nationals possessing low skills are admittedly of value to the United States. Our immigration policies, though, must be changed to make it easier for those immigrants with the desired skills and willingness to assimilate to become American citizens—regardless of their racial or ethnic origins.

This is the number one question an American must ask themselves about illegal aliens: How important is the fact whether they do or do not possess blue eyes and blond hair? I can honestly say that it doesn’t make the slightest difference to me. A buddy of mine teaches in a Houston public high school. He recently had to advise one of his top students, a young male immigrant from the former Soviet Union, to move to Canada. It is near impossible for him to become an American citizen in any reasonable amount of time. This is totally senseless.

Dec 24, 2007 - 6:24 am John Doty:

I think Americans feel threatened by people who show no inclination towards blending into the dominant culture. Waving Mexican flags, for whatever reason, is bound to generate a backlash which does either side no good. Additionally, speaking only Spanish guarantees that these immigrants will never rise above the level of second class citizens. Unfortunately, this is exactly where some people in power want them to stay. They will be more easily influenced and more easily led if they do not have access, by virture of not knowing the dominant language, to the wider array of information about issues. Of course, this is exactly how their leaders stay in power, by keeping the vast majority of immigrants from Mexico under their control.

Dec 24, 2007 - 6:58 am sharinlite:

First, let me say, that if they are legal, then they have nothing to worry about, do they? If they’re not, well, then, they should have thought of that before they sneaked across illegally!

Second, when in your host’s home, but, especially without an invitation, you don’t use that home as your bathroom.

And, finally, why don’t you and they spend some time, money and effort to get the rich Mexicans at home to change their politics so that all Mexicans get a fair shake?

Dec 24, 2007 - 7:48 am Timothy Martin:

Rueben’s article does sound a bit apologetic on behalf of Illegal Aliens. These folks are not immigrants they are criminals. They broke into America, entered without permission. Being an immigrant means you enter our country LEGALLY. Let’s not call these criminals immigrants.

True, the folks waiving the Mexican flag all have their own reason for waiving it. However, the overriding theme I get is F**K America, you have no right to keep us out of OUR country as many in this pro-illegal movement claim the Southwest still belongs to Mexico.

Who is the predominant force behind these rally’s in support of lawlessness? Communists, Socialist, Fascists, Democrats and so called Progressives comprising the extreme left in this country. One has but to peruse the extreme left websites to confirm their involvement.

Dec 24, 2007 - 8:41 am KarenT:

Our local school district has recognized the reality that a large proportion of the children of immigrants will be absent from school during parts of December and January if not given sufficient time for their families’ extended visits to Mexico. Christmas break is about twice as long here as it was in the schools where I grew up - maybe more than twice as long. We have adjusted to nostalgia for Mexico.

But a few years ago, there was a crisis in our town due to hostile, sometimes threatening activism by MEChA/La Raza types. Many families left in fear of what the future would bring, greatly reducing the economic viability of the town. I think many people still remember the rhetoric about taking over all power in areas where Mexican immigrants were in the majority, as well as the nationally televised expressions of hostile activists during the same time period. Many probably still associate these ideologies with public displays of the Mexican flag.

Our little town suffered through some very embarassing scandals in city politics and in the school system as a result of the “takeover” effort. But eventually, the practical failures and lack of respect for the law on the part of the “revolutionaries” changed voting patterns among the general population, including Mexican immigrants.

The city government and school district are not currently dominated by angry people. Parents saw that teaching of Spanish in preference to English hurt their children. They noticed that children from Yemen and India in ESL classes were learning Spanish at school and were being tutored in English by their parents. Mexican immigrant families started to warm up again to the idea that their children needed to learn English. The sound system hasn’t been sabotaged before a little elementary school patriotic program in some time now. Teachers are expected to be credentialed even if they have friends on the school board. Racialist teaching in the name of increasing self-esteem (pity the immigrant child from Chile faced daily with Aztec images and messages about Mexican superiority) has been reduced.

I think that the majority of the immigrant population, at least here, is now more favorable toward assimilation, even if they still want to go back to Mexico for Christmas.

Dec 24, 2007 - 8:44 am Anna:

The glaring ommission in all discussions regarding illegals is the Mexican government and their lack of concern for their own people.

The US has become its safety valve. Our politicians are complicit in their never-ending quest for a new voting block enhancing their own power and pandering to special interest groups.

It’s that simple. For all that the American citizens have endured with years of open borders, we have never, ever received compliments for being generous despite the difficulties this creates for our communities. We are castigated as “racists and loud mouths” when we say it’s too much.

This isn’t about lettuce, folks. It’s all about dsyfunctional goverments and the fat wishing to b e fatter.

Send them home to Mexico where they belong and wish to be. They are victims of Mexico’s intentional failures, and we should not continue to be victims of our failed policies.

Dec 24, 2007 - 11:20 am Charles Vairin:

Ruben forgot that these people were marching to tell us that they were here from Mexico and that they wanted to be here legally and that we should make that accommodation to them as Mexicans. They have wrongly been convinced that they make a strong contribution to the American economy and that they are essential to the economy and now deserve to stay in the country because they now number 20 million or so. I call that agressively getting in my face.

Dec 24, 2007 - 12:03 pm Anna:

As for Mexicans doing “the jobs Americans won’t do”, this should never be the case.

Americans who are on the “dole” or receiving “welfare”, should be required to do some work. Many of them need more exercise. They are fat, idle and ignorant sitting in front of their wide screen LCD televisions. Picking lettuce or peaches would get them into better shape. How about a few honest day’s work to give back to the taxpayers who have been subsidizing them for years?!

There is no reason for rampant illegal immigration in this country when we have millions of people who prefer to “live large” off the taxpayers. New Orleans and Katrina brings this to mind. Remember those 300 lb women being air-lifted to “safety”? Ridiculous. All of those people would have been bussed to polling stations for a Democrat election. Why couldn’t Nagin get them out of NO with a hurricane bearing down on them? Well, it wasn’t an election, was it? But the Dems and media found ways in which to make them useful tools for their agenda.

What a “Great Society” we have created!

Democrats promise to tax the rich in order to foment class envy and garner votes, but be ever aware that the real burden will always fall on the middle-class - always.

The middle-class and small business owners are being played like a fiddle in this game by both parties.

So, let the Mexicans go home and make welfare recipients give something back by working for a change.

Dec 24, 2007 - 12:10 pm Morton Doodslag:

Equating “Irish” flags and Americans of Irish heritage waving their banners in joy ( and I strongly suspect Ruben is ignorantly confusing green flags and flags with shamrocks with the ” Irish flag ” ) to a rabble of a half million pissed off Mexican illegals shouting “Reconquista” is beyond reprehensible. It is also stupid, bankrupt, and deliberately treacherous.

I live here in LA — those illegals were angry with America - they weren’t celebrating America. They were fashioning themselves the victims of abuse at America’s hands despite the evidence to the contrary. They were outrageously demanding their “legal rights” despite their obvious and utter contempt for our laws and America’s sovereignty — they were a deliberately threatening mass of rabble. Those illegals were not celebrating anthing about America. Those marches hinted at insurrection.

I was there. You could feel it in the air — it was no celebration — it was threatening.

That is far closer to the truth than any gauzy candy coated crap this peddler attempts to create with his false analogies and his deliberate deceptions.

In any event, Merry Christmas!!!

Dec 24, 2007 - 12:19 pm gcblues:

phinias,

if legal or illegals do not learn english, that is none of your business. it hurts or helps them, you lead your life, they lead theirs.

DAVID T,

every group that has entered this country has heard the same c##p from people like you. assimilate to what? your view of the USA? as a 2nd generation euro immigrant, some of mt family assimilated, some did not till death. it is none of your business in a free country to decide what is and is not acceptable culturally.

TIM M,

they are not saying f##k america, they are saying f##k you to you ignorant ethnocentric white american jerks. the world and the usa is gonna get browner no matter how big a jerk you are and people like you become. get over it.

Anna,

they did not say thank you to you, because your a nasty person. i am not latin, i have received many thanks and enduring friendships. try not being so nasty it will open your eyes. your nastiness reaches certainty in your comments of forced labor. who do you think you are? not that america’s poor would work hard for peanuts, but just your comments shine a light on your facist sickness.

the usa, which likely has more mosques than arabia, has always had a love hate relationship with immigrants. the ethnocentric hatred and false assumptions of superiority by the usa’s most hateful ignorant citizens makes me sick. Ronald Reagen is puking listening to your vitriol. it is ignorant, conceited unjustified nastiness.

things change. the usa will become browner. more people will speak spanish. the yahoo quotient will continue with nasty efforts eliciting the reaction you see in the streets. immigrants come to the usa to work. for every mexican on welfare there are a 100 with more than 1 job. they are here because we need them. you, and no other gringo would not do that work. whether its lettuce, meat plants or construction in new orleans. we should thank god these people are willing to come here and put up with the ignorance seen in these comments. as my kids would say, you suck man. get over your selves, you are not special.

Dec 24, 2007 - 1:43 pm Bobnormal:

gcblues

Sorry Buddy but you must have an understanding of the English language

to become a citizen,try again.

I live in LA and it makes me sick to my stomach to see the flagrant disregard for our rules,traffic,littering etc. that ILLEGALS bring to my country.They don’t want to be here,they just want the money,get a clue elitist!

Bob

Dec 24, 2007 - 2:36 pm Bart DS:

You’re kidding right?

What a stretch of thinking that article is. Talk about grabbing at straws……! “Thinkers” like you make me shake my head. Like saying if one sees 2+2 written on a piece of paper, it COULD kinda, sorta, be something like “22″ (instead of “4″) if one just looked at it a certain way.

Sounds like you went to a college or university didn’t you? A classic case of over thinking to find any possible answer other than the obvious one.

The real question is not why do you think the way you do, but how the frig do you get anyone to actually give you a dime for your thoughts.

I’ll remember the name so as not to waste my time again.

PJM…get rid of this clown quick, thank you.

Dec 25, 2007 - 7:37 am Eva Ritchey:

Go home to the land and country you love. Go home to the culture and heritage that is yours and that pleases you. We don’t want illegal economic immigrants, but ones who choose the American culture and way of life legally and will be proud of it.

Dec 25, 2007 - 5:21 pm Hugh:

“Equating “Irish” flags and Americans of Irish heritage waving their banners in joy to a rabble of a half million pissed off Mexican illegals shouting “Reconquista” is beyond reprehensible. ”

Half a million Mexican illegals shouting “Reconquista”? Sometimes I wonder if posters are really this ignorant or if they are just willing to believe whatever white supremacist-type groups tell them and exaggerate even more so as to make their argument stronger.

gcblues, you got it 100% right…these simpletons argue that it is ONLY about “illegal” immigration they have a problem with, but it’s clearly a cultural problem for them which implies deep-rooted bigotry and xenophobia.

Dec 26, 2007 - 6:52 am Morton Doodslag:

If there is any hyperbole in my post above, it certainly pales in comparison to the blather in Ruben’s post such as “Everywhere I look, all I see are Americans who get hysterical over a piece of red, green and white cloth.”

He, and some of the commenters above, can minimize all they want — they can attempt to revise history all they want, but the inconvenient facts remain the same.

Those marchers, who have now named their infamous march in 2005 “la Gran Marcha”

http://www.mexica-movement.org/granmarcha.htm

deliberately choosing to march under the Mexican flag (and often draped in that flag), and also chose to march under a wide variety of other banners and headers — banners and headers which were sponsored by groups like:

“Aztlan” “Por La Raza” “LaRaza” “MEChA” etc.

Are these “white supremacist-type groups”, or are they fascist Mexican racist and insurrectionist type groups?

Before going into that, I’d like to point out, (with the ample specimens above), how the marxist and illegal alien apologists and liars like to dismiss or ignore those noxious banners and noxious groups which organized “La Gran Marcha” in 2005 — the same phrases and groups under whose banners and emblems those marchers marched, and which feature prominently in every such mass of illegal aliens. These apologists prevaricators and slanderers attempt to stop discussion or to smear Americans who mention these slogans as being “racist” and “xenophobic”. They assert with no evidence that such slogans or discussions of such slogans and groups are the work of “white supremacist-type groups ” who “exaggerate even more so as to make their argument stronger.”

Now let’s explore the organizers of “la Gran Marcha” who no doubt encouraged those Mexican illegals to wave those Mexican flags (and no doubt supplied them too — someone surely did — that was no spontaneous event no matter what the apologists and their abettors say) and some of the ideas which these apologists and marxist anti-American abettors gloss over. I encourage readers to check these sites out. They aren’t the work of exaggerating “white supremacist-type groups ” — they are the websites and words of a bunch of racist fascist anti-American reconquistadors:

“MEChA”, “Aztlan”, “LaRaza”,”La Reconquista”:

“Aztlan”, “Chicano”:

http://www.aztlan.net/quest_for_aztlan.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztl√°n

http://www.azteca.net/aztec/aztlan.html

In their own words:

“…In Chicano folklore, Aztlan is often appropriated as the name for that portion of Mexico that was taken over by the United States after the Mexican-American War of 1846…”

La MEChA:

http://www.nationalmecha.org/

http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

MEChA’s slogan?:

“La Union Hace La Fuerza” (In Unity there is Strength)

MEChA’s Emblem?: An eagle with a stick of dynamite in one claw and an Aztec slaughtering device in the other.

In their own words:

MEChA calls for self-determination by its members to liberate Aztlan. MEChA’s national constitution starts out: “Chicano and Chicana students of Aztl√°n must take upon themselves the responsibilities to promote Chicanismo within the community, politicizing our Raza with an emphasis on indigenous consciousness to continue the struggle for the self-determination of the Chicano people for the purpose of liberating Aztl√°n.”[i.e., the “Reconquista”]

Surprise of surprises! It’s the racist illegal Mexicans, the “Chicanos”, “MEChA” , the Aztlan Reconquistadors, and their marxist abettors and insurrectionists, not a bunch of “white supremacist-type groups”, who have invented the long list of groups and rubrics like “Aztlan” “LaRaza” who sponsor such events as “la Gran Marcha”. It is their racist anti-American rhetoric and agitation which prompted over half a million illegals to stream into the streets in a deliberately threatening manner. It is the racist fascist theories behind nefarious groups like “MEChA”, the “Chicanos”, “La Raza” (it means THE RACE, after all, and they aren’t talking about whitey…) to underpin the waving of those Mexican flags.

Ridicule it as they do above, minimize it, smear and slander as they will — the facts don’t change. Misconstruing the events of “La Gran Marcha” as some kind of display of home-sickness is a grotesque distortion of reality. Is it possible a bunch of poor hapless tools of racist manipulators felt home-sickness? Of course. Is it likely that many of the marchers in “La Gran Marcha” are not members of the groups that directed and agitated them? Of course — but make no mistake - the ideology expressed in those marxist insurrectionist tracts above are the sentiment behind the Mexican flag waving, and the march itself, and most such marches. All the other candy coated crap is malignant nonsense.

The real story that should be told is how these fascist anti-American Hispanic racist groups have operated in the open for decades, in many cases setting up departments in American Universities and even fielding major candidates (Antonio Villaraigosa, Cruz Bustamante, et al) who have attained major offices in California. Before the last round of California elections I had often heard groups and terms like “la MEChA”, “Chicano” and “Chicano Studies”, “La Raza” mentioned in the MSM — without ever once hearing that media reveal the true nature of these groups.

THAT’S a story PJM would do well to cover!, and it would be nice to stop giving a platform to an apologist for these organizations and the movements they spawn.

Dec 26, 2007 - 9:22 am

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